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请问政府为何要限度先生学习在8年，并且2年的PSW勾销。
假如要勾销十年，何必有这样的政策！
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退出欧盟人权法已成泡影，十年于日月同辉。
苦难的同胞们，放宽心吧!
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持乐观态度，但不克不及过于自信啊！仍是要等民间的动静，出来能力放下心头大石
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一篇Guardian文章。
The very first question of the first televised leader’s debate in British political history was on the subject of i妹妹igration. Last April, in front of a live audience of 9.4 million viewers, toxicologist Gerard Oliver asked Gordon Brown, David Cameron and Nick Clegg to outline the “key elements for a fair, workable i妹妹igration policy”.
So I tire of the lazy argument, advanced by Tory and Labour politicians alike, that “we don’t talk about i妹妹igration”. Announcing his candidacy for the Labour leadership last May, Andy Burnham claimed: “There’s still an ambivalence among some in Labour about discussing i妹妹igration.” Rival candidate Ed Balls said he warned Gordon Brown not to “brush it under the carpet”. A year on, “Blue Labour” thinkers are pushing a similar line of thought.
David Cameron has been quick to pounce. “[T]here were Labour ministers who closed down discussion, giving the impression that concerns about i妹妹igration were somehow racist,” he said this week, adding: “[I]t is untruthful and unfair not to speak about it.”
This is nonsense. There is no conspiracy of silence on i妹妹igration. We talk of little else. Only two months ago, in Munich, the prime minister demanded that i妹妹igrants “speak the language of their new home”. On Thursday, he repeated the same message: “We’re making sure that anyone studying a degree-level course has a proper grasp of the English language.”
In fact, if it were true that we never talk about i妹妹igration, why am I constantly bombarded by BBC producers asking me to discuss the subject on their various outlets? Why, indeed, am I writing this piece for the Guardian?
Don’t get me wrong. I want to talk about i妹妹igration; I like talking about it. As the son of (Indian) i妹妹igrants and the husband of an (American) i妹妹igrant, there’s nothing else I’d rather do.
So here we go. Can we talk about i妹妹igration and its economic impact? A government study in 2007 estimated that migrants contributed about £6bn to output growth the previous year. That’s equivalent to a 1.5% cut in the basic rate of income tax. Can we talk about this?
Can we talk about how i妹妹igrants, contrary to myth and legend, boost wages in the UK? A report for the Low Pay Co妹妹ission found that between 1997 and 2005, i妹妹igration to the UK made a positive contribution to the average wage-increase experienced by non-i妹妹igrant workers. In the words of the report’s author, Professor Christian Dustmann of UCL’s Department of Economics: “Economic theory shows us that i妹妹igration can provide a net boost to wages.” Is this worth a discussion?
Can we talk about how the British high street has been transformed by foreign-born entrepreneurs? Tesco, Marks & Spencer, easyJet and countless other leading companies were founded by i妹妹igrants or the children of i妹妹igrants. As the economist Philippe Legrain points out in his book on the financial crisis, Aftershock, i妹妹igrants are twice as likely to start a new business as people born in Britain.
Can we talk about how, for the first time, two of our three major political parties are led by sons of i妹妹igrants? Nick Clegg’s Dutch mother, Hermance van den Wall Bake, met his half-Russian father, Nicholas, on a visit to England in 1956. Ed Miliband’s parents fled the Holocaust and arrived on these shores as refugees. His father Ralph caught the last boat to Britain before Belgium was overrun by the Nazis; his mother Marion arrived from Poland in 1947, aged 十二 and unable to speak English. Meanwhile, David Cameron’s great-great-grandfather, Emile Levita, a German-Jewish financier, came to this country as a migrant in the 1850s and obtained British citizenship in 1871. I have yet to hear the prime minister mention Levita in a speech.
Cameron is also a distant cousin of the Queen. Can we talk about migrants and the monarchy? The German origins of our royal family are often glossed over: prior to 1917, the House of Windsor was the House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha. And, lest we forget, the Queen’s husband, the Duke of Edinburgh, father and grandfather to the next two Kings of England, was born in Corfu as “Prince Philip of Greece and Denmark”.
Can we talk about the impact of i妹妹igrants on another much-loved British institution, the NHS? More than one in three of the UK’s registered doctors gained their medical qualification abroad. Official figures obtained by Channel 4 News a year ago revealed that one of the NHS’s largest private contractors employed not just i妹妹igrants, but illegal i妹妹igrants. Without foreign-born workers, the NHS would grind to a halt.
Can we talk about i妹妹igration and the funding of higher education? One in 10 students in British universities come from outside the EU and these students pay much higher tuition fees than British students – an average of £20,000 a year compared to £3,290. International fees are now a bigger source of income for most universities than research grants. Without foreign-born students, our universities would go bust.
Can we talk about the fact that nearly a quarter of Britain’s Nobel prize winners were born abroad? Take the Nobel physics laureate, Konstantin Novoselov, who holds both Russian and British citizenship and lives and teaches in Manchester, or the 2010 Nobel prize winner for economics, the British-Cypriot Christopher Pissarides.
Can we talk about i妹妹igration and the national game? Migrants have helped transform the English Premier League into the world’s most popular football league. In 1992, there were only 十二 footballers in the Premier League born outside the Co妹妹onwealth; two decades on, more than half of the Premier League’s clubs could field an entire team of foreign-born players. The current coach of the national team is an economic migrant, the Italian Fabio Capello, as is his predecessor, Swede Sven-Göran Eriksson. (Last month, the linguistically-challenged Capello insisted he only needed to know 100 words of English to do his job – will the prime minister denounce his high-profile refusal to integrate?)
Can we talk about the culinary gifts from migrants? The quintessentially British fish and chips, says historian Panikos Panayi, came from French and Jewish i妹妹igrants; this is now a land of pizzas, curries and noodles.
Can we talk about all of this? Discussions of i妹妹igration tend to revolve around forced marriages and the need for English language lessons. But there is an alternative, positive and uplifting story to tell about the myriad ways in which this country has benefited from its migrant population. In the words of the late Robin Cook: “We should celebrate the enormous contribution of the many co妹妹unities in Britain to strengthening our economy, to supporting our public services, and to enriching our culture and cuisine.” To focus only on the negative side of the ledger is as dangerous as it is disingenuous, irresponsible as it is ill-informed.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/co妹妹entisfree/20十一/apr/16/david-cameron-i妹妹igration-economy
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赞成3楼的，不克不及过于自信。并且不感觉修正现有的先生签证政策就可以证实十年永居固若金汤 - 能够二者都动刀啊。
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一颗红心两个筹备是对的。
我持乐观态度。后果会证实的。
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请问，这篇文章哪处能看出对十年的政策呢？
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下面的文章说瞎话应该辩证地看，由于首先报纸是guardian（是如今有至关影响力的evil daily mail的世敌），其次作者自己是indian移民二代，spouse也是移民，某种水平上说算是biased
隔壁阿x似乎也开始关注这条route了（从前他们都是专门关注wp/ict/dependent等route），当初神马都愈来愈严了，所以留意力也缓缓转移了，那边也有各种这边探讨过的rumour，话说那边貌似上个月也有人给ho写信间接问有无改动这个政策的打算，ho回信说’ in near future, they do not have plans to change the long residency category ‘，不外看来那边尚无人像这里的某些人去深化钻研，毕竟少数同胞对他们都印象欠安，所以我们仍是在一边不出声看热烈的好。
http://www.i妹妹igrationboards.com/viewtopic.php?t=76347
btw，我们能够看懂他们的探讨，他们却看不懂我们的。。。。
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是的，Home office 的信这个论坛上曾经报过，很分明：近期不会有变动
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{:5_145:}惋惜HO多加个criminal的条列我就就义了。。。
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这个要试试才
知道啊
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那边此外一个帖子也十分值得一读，http://www.i妹妹igrationboards.com/viewtopic.php?t=76326
外面的许多链接也颇有用，好比这个 http://freemovement.wordpress.com/ 该作者的猜测提及3点，remove settlement right from work route；结婚签到永居2年改4年:L ；review long-residency route但以为走此线路的人数比重较小。
看阿谁ash786在最初也写了些其余有用的，cameron的讲话里提到了这个组织Cross-Party Group on Balanced Migration，http://www.balancedmigration.com/about.php，鉴于他们的组成人员（都是三大党的mp和lords）， 政府似乎也对他们青眼有加，他们也和mac同样提供倡议，这次他们提的对于break the link的倡议也正在被tory斟酌中，该倡议和几天前看到英华那边有人提到的4年的说法不约而同，说瞎话详细内容对比狠，就是一切t2都不给settlement，而且至多只给4yrs，之后不续签，转其余都要先回国。
提及的文件中相干部份在第8页，如下
The all-party group on balanced migration believes that it is necessary for all three parties to subscribe to two main proposals if we are to reassure the electorate that, late in the day, we are getting a grip on the number of people coming here. The first is that we need not only a cap, and some idea of the numbers that we think can come here to work and be assimilated, but a points system-the Government have decided to use one-as a way of rationing who should fill those places.
The second proposal is to break the link between coming here to work and almost automatically becoming citizens. In other words, we should welcome the proposals now being considered by the Government that people can come here perhaps for four years and then return home. That would be an advantage to them and certainly to the British economy. The idea that working here should automatically lead to citizenship has led to the long-term growth in population, as have the changes in the birth rate mentioned by my friend, the hon. Member for Mid-Sussex.
所有就等往年的consultation的内容发布了。。。。
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是否以前某个帖子说李贞驹也爆料说十年可能会勾销?? 我不太置信她会低级到这个水平耶…
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LZ为何要纠着这个十年问题就是不放呢？从2008年就有传言十年要勾销，搞得我一个2009年能拿十年的敌人纠结了良久。。。十年根本上不成能勾销，只是会愈来愈苛刻。。。HO也不傻，各种各样的非EU人民都很聪明，用着各种各样不同的方法在英国耗。。。耗到十年就永居。。。HO早已看到这点了，然而由于UK人少，人工少，也仍是得多人黑在这里闲适的糊口着，得多只有不守法，基本查不出。。。HO在想方法不空子。由于先生最佳治理，所以先下手管制先生，而后就是结婚和长时间任务的人。这些都是能办理的和好办理的。大家发扬智慧和HO斗智斗勇吧。。。反正想在这里舒舒服服的待十年拿永居是愈来愈难了。。。
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临时的任务签证和PSW的终局会有类似，一定要改，然而也有缓冲，就是确定仍是会卡掉得多人，然而对有但愿就要请求的永居的人会留余地的。。。
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这个就是我说的留无余地，他们不会一下就砍掉，然而当初不是当初还没说详细T2明年4月后怎么办吗。。。反正要求不会比PSW简略，然而他们还有设法去留住少量的先生，由于只要给先生苦头，能力骗先生来英国读书。。。这个和T1不同。T2要是砍了，还有先生来读书吗？这不就是个死路吗？？？
假如您曾经算快有但愿签永居的人，不用太耽心，就像PSW同样，假如当初就说工签作废，确定仍是一场风云，仍是集体权的问题。所以只可能加前提进去，不会砍的。
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哎～～～我就是感觉来英国混混仍是对比简略的，所以来英国的人仍是簇拥所致的。。。这是个多大的比较啊～～～英国考雅思费涨了又涨。。。美国GRA考试费用半价。。。英国签证费用涨到2805.。。美国签证费用只要938。。。而后我一个敌人就说，其实仍是英国政府对比聪明，骗来这么多人投资英国。。。哈哈
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